
Hayden Hill
Hayden founded PianoGroove in 2015 with the goal of making the world a more musical place. He shares his love for jazz piano through his online courses and manages the community area of PianoGroove.
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- Diminished Scale Notation
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- Misty
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- Nearness Of You
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- Diminished 251 Line w/ Turns For Tomas
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Seminar Description
Seminar Description
Diminished Fills, Runs & Improvisation
Welcome to this in-depth seminar on diminished scales and how to apply them creatively to jazz piano improvisation. In this lesson, we explore how to construct diminished scales, practice them with effective fingering, and use them musically in popular standards like “Misty” and “The Nearness of You.”
Whether you’re new to diminished harmony or looking to enhance your soloing vocabulary, this lesson provides a complete framework for integrating diminished fills and runs into your playing with confidence and style.
Understanding Diminished Scales
We begin by demystifying the diminished scale—an 8-note symmetrical scale built by alternating half steps and whole steps. There are only three diminished scales, each of which can be used over four dominant chords that are a minor 3rd apart. For example, the diminished scale starting on C can be used over C7, Eb7, Gb7, and A7.
This unique characteristic makes diminished scales incredibly versatile for jazz improvisation, especially over dominant chords and tritone substitutes.
Chord Relationships & Fingering
An essential part of this lesson is learning how diminished scales relate to dominant chords. The diminished scale encapsulates both natural and altered tensions, including b9, #9, #11, and 13, while still containing the core chord tones—root, 3, 5, and b7.
We also explore how to internalize the scales through smart fingering strategies. One key approach is to visualise where the thumb lands—often outlining triads like C major (C-E-G)—which helps map out the pattern intuitively.
Applying the Scale in Context
Once the scale is under your fingers, we move to practical application. Using examples from “Misty” and “The Nearness of You,” we explore how to use diminished runs and fills to connect chords, create tension, and resolve with impact.
We demonstrate how diminished fills can work over B-7 to E7 to Amaj7 or Bb-7 to Eb7 to Abmaj7. By carefully resolving into chord tones such as the 3rd or 7th, the diminished material becomes musical rather than mechanical.
Patterns, Enclosures & Resolution Points
The seminar also introduces common patterns and motifs using diminished scales. These include descending runs harmonised in 3rds, chromatic enclosures, and angular leaps that add a modern sound to your playing.
You’ll learn to start on key intervals, such as the root or the #11, and always think about the resolution point. Understanding where to land your lines—typically on strong chord tones—ensures your improvisation sounds intentional and connected.
Using Diminished Scales Tastefully
While powerful, diminished lines can easily become overused. We discuss how to use these ideas as one part of your improvisation toolkit. Mixing diminished runs with chord tone soloing, melodic motifs, and standard jazz vocabulary leads to a more expressive and balanced performance.
5 Practice Tips
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Learn the 3 Diminished Scales – Each diminished scale can be applied to 4 dominant chords. Start with the C group (C7, Eb7, Gb7, A7) and build from there.
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Practice Fingering with Thumb Landmarks – Focus on where your thumb lands. Often this outlines a triad and makes the scale easier to play from muscle memory.
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Drill Resolution Exercises – Practice resolving diminished runs into chord tones like the 3rd or 7th of the next chord to develop smooth and musical phrasing.
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Combine with Arpeggios and Enclosures – Mix diminished scale fragments with arpeggios and approach tones to create interesting melodic lines.
- Use Sparingly for Maximum Effect – Avoid sounding mechanical by using diminished runs as a spice in your solos, not the main ingredient.
Great workshop Hayden, thanks!!!!
I wonder if you could spend a few minutes and explain how you do the trills when running down the dim scales.
Cheers,
Hi Tomas,
I’m glad you enjoyed the workshop.
Great question regarding the ‘trills’. I believe what I am playing here more closely resembles a ‘turn’ where we play the adjacent notes of the scale in quick succession.
It’s a little hard to explain this in text format, but here we go…
Firstly notice that the notes I play are all part of the diminished scale, ie. I don’t play notes outside of the diminished scale when playing these turns/trills.
Also notice that I usually play this embellishment when the note above in the scale is a half step above, not a whole step above. The diminished scale is built from alternating half and whole steps, so there are 4 notes in the scale where the above note is a half step above and the below note is a whole step below.
For the diminished scale that we use over C7/Eb7/Gb7/A7, those notes would actually be the root notes of each chord, so the notes C, Eb, Gb, and A.
Pick one of the above 4 notes, and play the following pattern… starting note, half step above, starting note, whole step below. If we play this pattern starting on all 4 notes C, Eb, Gb, and A, this will actually give you the diminished scale. Practice this pattern on each of these ‘starting notes’, ie. starting on C, then move down to A, then Gb, then, Eb.
Next try to incorporate some of these turns which playing the whole diminished scale descending down the piano. Playing the turns on the notes A and Gb make it easier to preserve the fingering or ‘thumb placement’ on the white notes that i mentioned in the workshop.
Finally try adding these turns into a 2-5-1 progression and focus on resolving into a chord tone (usually 3, 5, or 7). Often I will step outside of the diminished scale to create an enclosure or chromatic approach into the chord tone of the 1 chord.
I have added a new PDF to the Seminar Resources section which contains the notation for a 251 line that I demonstrated in the seminar. This is a really nice melody line to help you visualise and play the trill/turn notes. As a homework assignment, transpose this line to other keys, preferably all 12.
I will explain this in more detail in the next seminar as it’s quite hard to explain this information in written form.
In the interim, experiment with the above and let me know if I can help further.
Cheers,
Hayden
Thanks a lot Hayden!!!
Looking forward to the altered scale masterclass.
Cheers,
Thanks for the detailed description of trills. I’ve been wanting to learn how and when to use them so this is great!
Thanks Marla – I’m going to revisit the trills at the start of today’s workshop to better reply to Tomas’ question.
We’ll also explore the altered mode today and the key similarities and differences between altered and diminished fills and runs.
Talk soon!
Hayden
Hi Hayden,
Thank you for your lovely lesson on the Diminished Scale usage. I have some questions:
1) I understand the ‘symmetry’ of this octotonic scale which can be a half tone-whole tone diminished scale and also a whole tone-half tone scale. Are these, two different entities and used on different occasions ? How do you make this possible ? Can they be switched during an improv ?
2) As I can see many notes in a diminished scale are similar to a Pentatonic Scale, can we use a diminished scale in a blues improv and still make it sound bluesy ?
Cheers
Arun
Hi Arun,
Great questions!
Question 1:
Yes the WH and HW diminished scales are often taught as two distinct scales because they can serve different functions:
The Half-Whole Diminished scale is ‘used’ over dominant 7 chords, especially with alterations (♭9, ♯9, ♯11) and natural 13.
The Whole-Half Diminished scale fits over diminished 7 chords.
My first jazz teacher taught me the above approach, but since then I find it easier to think of just 3 diminished scales and the groups of chords they can be used over. I find this is a much simpler way to absorb the material and when/where they can be used.
At the end of the day, WH and HW are both octotonic scales built from alternating half and whole steps. You’re just starting from a different point in the sequence.
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Question 2:
Yes that’s correct that the diminished scale and blues/pentatonic scales do share some common notes. However, they do sound very different at the same time. The repeating/alternating interval pattern of the diminished scale has a very sharp and angular character, particularly when compared to the open and spacious sound of the pentatonic scale.
We certainly could use the diminished scale in a blues improv. I feel that it would be more suited to a jazz-blues perhaps in an ensemble setting, rather than the more ‘stripped back’ slow blues style for solo piano that I teach here on PianoGroove.
The jazz blues is often played at medium/up tempos and octotonic or 8 note scales (such as bebop scales and diminished scales) work beautifully in up-tempo 4/4 time because they align naturally with eighth note phrasing, which is the rhythmic backbone of most swing feel.
The diminished scale contains all 4 primary chord tones and also 4 alterations/extensions which allows us to build fast, symmetrical lines that create tension and release.
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I hope that helps Arun – in today’s seminar we will recap some diminished concepts and explore the altered mode.
Talk soon,
Hayden